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		<title>By: RT</title>
		<link>http://kentdelhousaye.com/2009/06/10/unity-in-diversity/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>RT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you have the anger problem,  I am not angry because I am outraged,  Jesus was outraged and even angry at times.  It seems to me that anyone who differs on &quot;essentials&quot;  with you is labeled angry.  Maybe you have the anger problem.  I am passionate about what I believe.  It troubles me when &quot;intellectualism,  pycho babble,  and liberalism&quot;  are brought into the church in the name of unity,  and those who don&#039;t agree with it are called names.  Reading most of your posts show someone who has definite anger issues with people in church who don&#039;t see things your way.  God bless those of you out there who stand up for what you believe,  and aren&#039;t neutered by people like Kent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have the anger problem,  I am not angry because I am outraged,  Jesus was outraged and even angry at times.  It seems to me that anyone who differs on &#8220;essentials&#8221;  with you is labeled angry.  Maybe you have the anger problem.  I am passionate about what I believe.  It troubles me when &#8220;intellectualism,  pycho babble,  and liberalism&#8221;  are brought into the church in the name of unity,  and those who don&#8217;t agree with it are called names.  Reading most of your posts show someone who has definite anger issues with people in church who don&#8217;t see things your way.  God bless those of you out there who stand up for what you believe,  and aren&#8217;t neutered by people like Kent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McCartney</title>
		<link>http://kentdelhousaye.com/2009/06/10/unity-in-diversity/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McCartney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good distinction, Bob ... Thank you :)  Jesus appeared, indeed, to be emotionally attached for example, to the idea (or at least the acting UPON the idea) of the abuse of the Temple for merchandising purposes. (Though I doubt He&#039;d have gone off the handle emotionally had He been in a conversation with someone about the proper use of the Temple.)  Thank you! And blessings !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good distinction, Bob &#8230; Thank you <img src='http://kentdelhousaye.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Jesus appeared, indeed, to be emotionally attached for example, to the idea (or at least the acting UPON the idea) of the abuse of the Temple for merchandising purposes. (Though I doubt He&#8217;d have gone off the handle emotionally had He been in a conversation with someone about the proper use of the Temple.)  Thank you! And blessings !!</p>
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		<title>By: Kent DelHousaye</title>
		<link>http://kentdelhousaye.com/2009/06/10/unity-in-diversity/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent DelHousaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, thanks for the comment. Very insightful and helpful to further this discussion. I think you are right on with the emotional attachment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, thanks for the comment. Very insightful and helpful to further this discussion. I think you are right on with the emotional attachment.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob G</title>
		<link>http://kentdelhousaye.com/2009/06/10/unity-in-diversity/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
I agree for the most part, but if I understand you correctly, I think this may be going a little too far.  Jesus was emotionally attached to his ideas, got angry, wept over his people, but &quot;When he was reviled, he did not revile in return...&quot;.  I think we should be striving for self-control rather than emotional detachment.

I do agree that we often are wrongly emotionally attached to non-essentials, and we wrongly take things personally rather than understanding that often our attackers are using us as a means to attack Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
I agree for the most part, but if I understand you correctly, I think this may be going a little too far.  Jesus was emotionally attached to his ideas, got angry, wept over his people, but &#8220;When he was reviled, he did not revile in return&#8230;&#8221;.  I think we should be striving for self-control rather than emotional detachment.</p>
<p>I do agree that we often are wrongly emotionally attached to non-essentials, and we wrongly take things personally rather than understanding that often our attackers are using us as a means to attack Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McCartney</title>
		<link>http://kentdelhousaye.com/2009/06/10/unity-in-diversity/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McCartney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kent :)  

An ancillary thought comes to mind for me that goes to the heart of the division you well address. 

It seems to me that more and more of us Americans are erroneously becoming emotionally attached to our ideas, such that when an idea we currently subscribe to suffers attack, we tend to erroneously take that attack personally, and therefore worthy of vigorous (and too often vicious?) defense and counter-attack.

Instead, I&#039;d propose, if we can learn to consider an idea merely an impersonal current perspective that we happen to hold on reality, in no way connected to our self-worth, we can consider an &quot;attack&quot; instead as a gift: an attempt by another to make us more the man or woman of God He intends for us to be . . . merely an introduction an alternative perspective, and even an attempt by another to be (or make) a contribution to our lives.

I think of the saying, &quot;Human beings rarely communicate. We just opinionate each other to death.&quot;

What we perhaps need is the teaching of some critical thinking skills, including the skills to divorce ourselves from aggressive emotional attachment to our current views of reality (and, in this case, to our interpretation of the Word and the Heart of Him who authors it.)

Blessings !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kent <img src='http://kentdelhousaye.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>An ancillary thought comes to mind for me that goes to the heart of the division you well address. </p>
<p>It seems to me that more and more of us Americans are erroneously becoming emotionally attached to our ideas, such that when an idea we currently subscribe to suffers attack, we tend to erroneously take that attack personally, and therefore worthy of vigorous (and too often vicious?) defense and counter-attack.</p>
<p>Instead, I&#8217;d propose, if we can learn to consider an idea merely an impersonal current perspective that we happen to hold on reality, in no way connected to our self-worth, we can consider an &#8220;attack&#8221; instead as a gift: an attempt by another to make us more the man or woman of God He intends for us to be . . . merely an introduction an alternative perspective, and even an attempt by another to be (or make) a contribution to our lives.</p>
<p>I think of the saying, &#8220;Human beings rarely communicate. We just opinionate each other to death.&#8221;</p>
<p>What we perhaps need is the teaching of some critical thinking skills, including the skills to divorce ourselves from aggressive emotional attachment to our current views of reality (and, in this case, to our interpretation of the Word and the Heart of Him who authors it.)</p>
<p>Blessings !!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B</title>
		<link>http://kentdelhousaye.com/2009/06/10/unity-in-diversity/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 05:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the quote from Paul Harvey - “Too many people are no longer fishers of men, but keepers of the aquarium.”

You are so correct in what you have communicated.  We have way too many Christians with head knowledge and seemed to have forgoten the heart.  I seem to remember &quot;For God so loved (their is that heart thing again).  Keep it going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the quote from Paul Harvey &#8211; “Too many people are no longer fishers of men, but keepers of the aquarium.”</p>
<p>You are so correct in what you have communicated.  We have way too many Christians with head knowledge and seemed to have forgoten the heart.  I seem to remember &#8220;For God so loved (their is that heart thing again).  Keep it going.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent DelHousaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent DelHousaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 03:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob. Good points, all. Thanks for the comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob. Good points, all. Thanks for the comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob G</title>
		<link>http://kentdelhousaye.com/2009/06/10/unity-in-diversity/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw your FB entry today and it reminded me that I wanted to go back and read this.  This has been an issue for me forever.  It seems when I realize that I&#039;ve been too passive in this area, I overreact and get downright divisive, and then realize that error, and go back to being passive.  Right now i believe about half the people I know are being too passive and about half are being too divisive, so I guess I must be in the perfect place. :-) 

In your post you said &quot;What I have seen in my study of God’s Word is that there are some points that are clearly articulated and easily supported in Scripture but there are also a number of matters that are not clearly expressed or substantiated.&quot;

I understand what you&#039;re saying, but I think Christians disagree on what is &quot;clearly articulated.&quot;  For example, I have no trouble seeing the &quot;how&quot; of creation and the events of the last times as issues that we are not to divide over.  And I have no trouble seeing the Trinity and Christ&#039;s atoning death and resurrection as the only way to salvation as convictions to die for, let alone divide over.

But there are matters that are considered disputable by other Christians that I do not consider disputable, such as the gay church, which has developed an entire theology justifying the gay lifestyle, and proponents of the prosperity gospel, who use the Bible to show that God wants us to be materialistically wealthy.  In my opinion, they&#039;re just manipulating the Scripture to justify their desires. Many of them, however, claim to believe in the deity of Christ and consider themselves Christian.  

Hypothetically, if the leadership at our church adopted a gay theology or a prosperity theology, would I be wrong in leaving the church and urging others to leave as well?  Or should I leave without incident?  Or should I stay and try to change things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw your FB entry today and it reminded me that I wanted to go back and read this.  This has been an issue for me forever.  It seems when I realize that I&#8217;ve been too passive in this area, I overreact and get downright divisive, and then realize that error, and go back to being passive.  Right now i believe about half the people I know are being too passive and about half are being too divisive, so I guess I must be in the perfect place. <img src='http://kentdelhousaye.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>In your post you said &#8220;What I have seen in my study of God’s Word is that there are some points that are clearly articulated and easily supported in Scripture but there are also a number of matters that are not clearly expressed or substantiated.&#8221;</p>
<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying, but I think Christians disagree on what is &#8220;clearly articulated.&#8221;  For example, I have no trouble seeing the &#8220;how&#8221; of creation and the events of the last times as issues that we are not to divide over.  And I have no trouble seeing the Trinity and Christ&#8217;s atoning death and resurrection as the only way to salvation as convictions to die for, let alone divide over.</p>
<p>But there are matters that are considered disputable by other Christians that I do not consider disputable, such as the gay church, which has developed an entire theology justifying the gay lifestyle, and proponents of the prosperity gospel, who use the Bible to show that God wants us to be materialistically wealthy.  In my opinion, they&#8217;re just manipulating the Scripture to justify their desires. Many of them, however, claim to believe in the deity of Christ and consider themselves Christian.  </p>
<p>Hypothetically, if the leadership at our church adopted a gay theology or a prosperity theology, would I be wrong in leaving the church and urging others to leave as well?  Or should I leave without incident?  Or should I stay and try to change things?</p>
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		<title>By: Kent DelHousaye</title>
		<link>http://kentdelhousaye.com/2009/06/10/unity-in-diversity/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent DelHousaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello there, RT. Thanks for reading my blog and for posting your comment. I certainly don&#039;t expect everyone to agree with me on my posts but it won&#039;t prevent me from expressing what I believe is true. In this case, your comment and the tone of it seems to prove my point about what is wrong in the Church today. As a pastor, I am concerned about the &quot;profound outrage&quot;, as you put it, of those who feel that every issue is worth fighting and dividing over, including the lesser issues I mentioned in my post. In case you missed it, I said that the lesser issue is the timing and sequence of end times events, not the events themselves. We should absolutely teach and express what the Scripture has the say about non critical issues like these but do so with both an awareness and respect for differing views where the Scriptures aren&#039;t abundantly clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there, RT. Thanks for reading my blog and for posting your comment. I certainly don&#8217;t expect everyone to agree with me on my posts but it won&#8217;t prevent me from expressing what I believe is true. In this case, your comment and the tone of it seems to prove my point about what is wrong in the Church today. As a pastor, I am concerned about the &#8220;profound outrage&#8221;, as you put it, of those who feel that every issue is worth fighting and dividing over, including the lesser issues I mentioned in my post. In case you missed it, I said that the lesser issue is the timing and sequence of end times events, not the events themselves. We should absolutely teach and express what the Scripture has the say about non critical issues like these but do so with both an awareness and respect for differing views where the Scriptures aren&#8217;t abundantly clear.</p>
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		<title>By: RT</title>
		<link>http://kentdelhousaye.com/2009/06/10/unity-in-diversity/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>RT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the last things Jesus said to the disciples in John 14:2 &quot;I go to prepare a place for you&quot;.....  this would have been completely foreign to the Jew because all God promised the Jews was the land and a king on the throne.  And now he&#039;s promising those who accept Christ (Jew or Gentile) a dwelling place with Him.  This is clearly a promise to the church and not the nation of Israel.  It is what we in the church call the &quot;blessed hope&quot;. 
This is ultimately what we as Christians are waiting and hoping for. So why is it so hard for you to understand why talking about end times (and the signs thereof) is important to us.  This should be important to every Christian and something shepherds of the church should be teaching their flocks.  How sad that you call this a non-essential,  when it is the very essence of our hope and future.   I am profoundly outraged that you think those of us who teach this truth are lacking discernment,  fragmenting the body,  etc.,  when you are clearly fragmenting the body with your lack of teaching this truth properly along with your accusations and contempt toward those who do.  You obviously have no understanding of the significance of God dealing with the nation of Israel and His separate dealing with the church and how this is applicable to end times.  There have always been and there will always be significant differences in what we believe even as christians,  that IS why we have denominations.   The Truth divides,  even in the church.  As for unity in the church,  it is having the mind of Christ,  not getting along with each other just to get along.  Doctrinal purity is foremost.  I&#039;m sorry,  but teaching the truth of God&#039;s Word and doing so accurately is more important than &#039;practicing grace and love&#039;.   In fact,  teaching God&#039;s Word ACCURATELY will result in practicing TRUE grace and love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the last things Jesus said to the disciples in John 14:2 &#8220;I go to prepare a place for you&#8221;&#8230;..  this would have been completely foreign to the Jew because all God promised the Jews was the land and a king on the throne.  And now he&#8217;s promising those who accept Christ (Jew or Gentile) a dwelling place with Him.  This is clearly a promise to the church and not the nation of Israel.  It is what we in the church call the &#8220;blessed hope&#8221;.<br />
This is ultimately what we as Christians are waiting and hoping for. So why is it so hard for you to understand why talking about end times (and the signs thereof) is important to us.  This should be important to every Christian and something shepherds of the church should be teaching their flocks.  How sad that you call this a non-essential,  when it is the very essence of our hope and future.   I am profoundly outraged that you think those of us who teach this truth are lacking discernment,  fragmenting the body,  etc.,  when you are clearly fragmenting the body with your lack of teaching this truth properly along with your accusations and contempt toward those who do.  You obviously have no understanding of the significance of God dealing with the nation of Israel and His separate dealing with the church and how this is applicable to end times.  There have always been and there will always be significant differences in what we believe even as christians,  that IS why we have denominations.   The Truth divides,  even in the church.  As for unity in the church,  it is having the mind of Christ,  not getting along with each other just to get along.  Doctrinal purity is foremost.  I&#8217;m sorry,  but teaching the truth of God&#8217;s Word and doing so accurately is more important than &#8216;practicing grace and love&#8217;.   In fact,  teaching God&#8217;s Word ACCURATELY will result in practicing TRUE grace and love.</p>
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